The Muscle Car Place online podcast, episode number 615. This week, a live broadcast interview from the Chrysler-Carlyle Nationals 2025. This is an inside scoop from the original team that made the Chrysler NASCAR wing cars. Dodge Daytona's, Columbus Superbirds, the people that actually developed them who know the truth

that are still around to tell it are here for you, and it is amazing. These events, and

Carlisle has these for GM and Ford and they are just magical. These become a one-stop special venue

because you can only get this stuff if everybody gets together and sometimes you can only get it once.

This is a once type of event. This will feature John Worley, Bill Zerber, Gino Raffin, and Dave

Busheski. They were all there doing engines, testing, wing development, you name it. This isn't

an interview. It's a live presentation. We were there to get it because only here will you finally get the answer to the real truth, like how fast could a hemipowered

Daytona go? Uncorked. And those reverse front fender scoops, they weren't there to help

aerodynamics at all.

And we completed the testing, and when I went out there with that suggestion, John

Pointer right away, he said, hey, I'll just put a reverse scoop on the race car so we can have tire plants.

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Now here's your host, Rob Kibby.

Yes, indeed, I am Rob Kibby, and welcome to the Muscle Car Place podcast. Well, sorry for the long intro. Bernie hates the long intros, but this one's fun, man. I wish I could have been at this one. Our new, what is he? Show director, network director, Kirk Hanson, was at the Chrysler Mopar Nationals, 2025, and Chrysler, PA.

Now, Carlisle does far more than Mopars.

I'd love to do the same setup for GM and Ford, and it'd just be great.

He just happened to be out there for the Mopar ones.

We reviewed several things that were kind of one-off events, but this one takes the cake. This is the Chrysler

Wing Car Development Program from the late 1960s, and these are the stories from the guys,

the real guys who still can tell the stories. They're all going to share with you their

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