Hi, and welcome back to Undisclosed toward justice.

Rabia here, I'm here, as always with my colleague Colin.

Hey, Colin, how you doing?

Yeah, doing well.

How about yourself?

I'm well.

I'm very excited because we have some very special guests on this week, and these folks are true crime podcasting veterans. I think we all kind of got into this game at the same time. But I don't know if they've been on our show before. I believe perhaps they have. But anyhow, I'd like to welcome to the show, Tempelary and Lance Reinsterna, who if you know anything about true crime, you know them. You know their incredible show

missing, which has been produced by them for over a decade. They are the founders of crawl space

media. We learned everything we need to know about the Morrill case from them and producers of

the documentary about that. But anyhow, welcome to the show, Lance and Tim. Thank you so much for

having us. Very happy to be here.

I know. I feel like it's been a long time coming. This feels really good. Thank you. It does. Have you guys been on Undisclosed before? I feel like we have been on shows before together. And I can't remember exactly what. No, I don't think we've been on Undisclosed. I think you were on crawl space a few years ago,

sort of a panel discussion that we what? No, I don't think we've been on undisclosed. I think you were on crawl space a few years ago,

sort of a panel discussion that we had. Yes, that is right. We should have you both on

crawl space again at some point soon and Colin for the first time to just get into stuff,

get to know you a little bit better. It'd be nice. I know I wasn't totally making that up.

And of course, we've crossed pads a number of times at true crime conventions and things like that where you guys are regular speakers. But, you know, let me ask you something, which I don't think I've ever, like, actually known before and I was curious about this. What did you guys do before you got into podcasting. You know what we did. We're still kind of doing it with a lawyering stuff.

We waited. We're still kind of doing it with the lawyering stuff.

We waited. We waited until the time was right. We were just waiting for cereal to happen. Yeah. No, we were both into the media. Tim was trained as an actor. We did some independent films. Together? Yeah, yeah, together and

separately. So we were always kind of in that sort of like media kind of creative world.

Professionally, we do some other things. Or we've done other things like event work and things

like that. But yeah, we started doing the podcasting.

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