Hi and welcome back to Undisclosed Toward Justice. My name is Robya-Cyodry, and I'm here with my colleague, Colin Miller.

Hi, this is Colin Miller. I'm a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law, and I blog at evidence prof blog.

All right, so this week what we're going to do is we're going to update you on a couple of cases that we covered before our relaunch. And these were two cases. I think these were the last two seasons that I led investigations on, right, Colin? Yeah, that sounds right for me. Yeah. So it was Jason Carroll case, which was season six and Greg Lance. And a lot has happened since we reported on these cases. Have you been

keeping up with both of them? Absolutely. I've been very much following the news of both cases,

and as you say, there's a lot of recent developments and things that are soon to come in both

cases. Yeah, and I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I think things look good. They're progressing

in the right direction, even though there are bumps, it's still a bit of a fight. But I think we're moving in the right direction. And I cannot wait for you to be able to add these names to your mega blog that you put together of all the cases that Undisclosed is done. So anyhow, why don't we dive in with Jason's case? Let's start there.

Yeah, so first we have the case of the State versus Jason Carroll. Listeners, you might recall, this was season six of Undisclosed. We aired this back in 2022. And Rabia, this was a case that, as you said, came to you from the New England Innocence Project. And so how did they initially reach out to you about handling this case. The executive director of the New England Innocence Project. And so how did they initially reach out to you about handling this case?

The executive director of the New England Innocence Project, her name is Rada Natharajan.

She reached out to me and she had been a longtime listener of Undisclosed. And she had a case she

wanted us to look at. What was interesting about this when she, I remember when she told me,

I was like, wait, what are you saying? She's like, there's never been. It's a case out of New Hampshire. And their Innocence Project covers, like, kind of all of New England, which, you know, that's a lot to do for one little outfit. And she said, New Hampshire has never had a case in which somebody convicted of murder was actually exonerated. and this could potentially be the first Now, that was intriguing. And then when we got

into the, obviously, the details of the case, we were like, wow, this is terrible. All that happened.

Yeah. I mean, this is New Hampshire's been in existence for almost 400 years. And so to be handling a

case after 400 years, and this might be the first factual innocence exoneration in the state.

It's pretty crazy. And Sarabia, you as well as Sarah Kalin investigated this case, right? Yeah, we met up in New Hampshire. And that was, in fact, the first time I ever met Sarah Kalen. I've been following her work. And I said, look, I'm looking for an investigator to work with me. Because I don't like going out and to look for witnesses alone. You never know how that's going to go down. And she met up with me.

And, you know, she's a great friend of the show. She's got her own incredible podcast. And she's just a

fantastic investigator. We've been working together since. So, yeah, we went up there together and spent a couple

of weeks out there. I think we made two different trips. And so to refresh your recollection of what

happened, listeners, this is July 29th, 1988. So we're talking different trips. And so to refresh your recollection of what happened, listeners,

this is July 29th, 1988. So we're talking essentially 37 years before we're recording this

episode today. It's in Bedford, New Hampshire. We have a body of a woman. It's found at a

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