Hi and welcome back to Undisclosed toward justice, our weekly episode.

And Robbie here, I'm joined with my colleague Colin Miller.

Hey, Colin.

Hey, how's it going?

It's going well.

How are you doing?

Doing great.

Classes are about to end.

So I'm looking forward to some grading and in the summer.

Oh, yeah, man, I can't believe it. The spring's almost over, huh? Yeah. Well, it's a perfect time to pick up a new true crime podcast, by the way, if you haven't. It breaks coming up. And I'm really excited to have our guest on today, but I'm going to let you introduce our guest today, Colin. Yeah, I guess today is Jen Miller.

She is the creator and

host of the true crime series Blood Will Tell. She is a journalist by trade. She has written

five books and her articles have appeared in outlets like the New York Times and the Washington

Post. She has her master's of fine art from Columbia, as well as a master's in journalism.

And previously in her line of work, she was a senior media fellow's program fellow at the American

Immigration Council, helping over a thousand people to tell their own immigration stories.

And very much, Blood Will Tell, is the story of an immigrant family. And so,

Jen, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for that introduction, and thank you so much for having me.

Really happy to be here. Yeah, can we start there with your work as a fellow and helping these

immigrants to tell their stories to sort of set the stage for the podcast? Yeah, that's fascinating.

Absolutely. And yeah, and this is work that I still do for

the council, which is really some of the most fulfilling work that I've done over the course of

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