Hi and welcome back to Undisclosed towardard Justice. This week's episode is extra special. It's not only our final episode in our coverage of the Mandelieu's case. I mean, of course, we finished the season a couple of weeks ago, but there's much more to talk about. But this week, we are in conversation with people who have been at the heart of this case for the longest time.

We're joined by, believe it or not, another woman named Amanda Lewis, Dr. Amanda Lewis from Georgetown University, who works with the prison justice initiative and works on a lot of different innocence cases and brought this case to Colin.

We're also joined by two of Amanda's greatest advocates who have worked for years relentlessly to help exonerate her.

Kim Hunter, an author and podcaster, and Lee Hunt.

Finally, and most importantly, we are joined by Amanda Lewis herself from prison, the woman at the heart of this great injustice.

All right.

I want to start by offering condolences.

We heard your Nani passed away, and I know that was part of our interview, and you said that

you had this rage when you entered prison and she visited you and said

you were kind of a different person in that sparked this fire that has led to you now getting

the paralegal certificate and all that. So can you tell us a bit about how close you are and

were to your Nani and what she meant to you? I believe I can honestly say that she was part of what molded me to be the person I am.

Because of the circumstances, I was very angry.

And I did lash out a lot when all of this first happened.

And through her and my Sunday dates on the phone and, you know, visits, she kind of had to talk me down from, you know, where I was at mentally.

She, she was part of my world, and she and I were very, very close.

So it was heartbreaking to get the news, but, you know, I know she's at peace and I know she's not

suffering anymore. So it makes it a little bit easier, but it's still heartbreaking because

she was supposed to be there. Yeah. So. And as you said, that kind of did spark this fire

and has led to this path of helping other inmates in this paralegal program.

We were talking about this a bit earlier, but how is that paralegal program going?

Is it what you expected and how are you enjoying the process of learning about becoming a paralegal?

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