It is bright and early on Friday morning ladies and gentlemen and I'm running

solo because Frank the tank left me and went coyote hunting. It's snowed here in

Colorado so Frank last night came upstairs and said sir you need me on the

podcast and I said no and so I'm hanging solo with my good friend TJ Perez

out of the great state of Arizona. Thanks for coming on. I'll be going. Thanks for

having me. Good good things are good. It's Friday and I have a lot of archery

shit coming in the mail today and we're doing actually some photography stuff

indoors and that's what this podcast is about is photography. Yeah. Tell

uh so it's kind of interesting tell everyone one how you and I met and then

two how you got into photography because on from the outside looking in TJ's

one of those guys that did it right he didn't uh he okay well one TJ probably

knows more than I do now about photography but two he actually read the manual

he actually learned what to do he didn't have any crazy questions about you

know things that you can learn from reading the manual learning online and you

didn't mess around you stair step step it up at the level you should have I

think and now you shoot professionally you make money doing it but yet kind of

go into all that how we met and then kind of your your stair step as far as

photography went so I think I think that first much I was looking for a pack I

was running a pack we want to meet and then and I just happened to shoot with it

and then I think I found I found a couple of videos on YouTube and then that

was just the time that greedy Bowman has started and then Brian did a podcast

with you and then I think like mid like September 15th I called you and you kind

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