Titanic Oceans: Daniel Pauly, Antonio Turiel, Peter Ward | Reality Roundtable #04
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
4.8 • 553 Ratings
🗓️ 10 September 2023
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
On this Reality Roundtable, marine biologist Daniel Pauly, ocean physicist Antonio Turiel, and paleobiologist Peter Ward join Nate to discuss the numerous oft-overlooked threats to the Earth's great oceans. From overfishing and plastic pollution to climate change and acidification, the human system is assaulting one of the most important regulators for our climate and the largest habitat for life - anywhere. What early indicators of climate impacts are these great bodies of water showing us as we hit record heat across the oceans, fish populations dwindle, and major currents slow? Why are concerns for the ocean so overlooked and what further research needs to be done? Will we learn to value these high seas for all the priceless value they give us, or will we take them for granted until it's too late?
About Daniel Pauly
Dr. Daniel Pauly is a Killam Professor at the University of British Columbia. In 1999, Daniel Pauly founded, and since leads, a large research project, Sea Around Us, devoted to identifying and quantifying global fisheries trends. Daniel Pauly is also co-founder of FishBase.org, the online encyclopedia of more than 30,000 fish species, and he has helped develop the widely-used Ecopath modeling software. He is the author or co-author of over 1000 scientific and other articles, books and book chapters on fish, fisheries and related topics.
About Antonio Turiel
Antonio Turiel Martínez is a scientist and activist with a degree in Physics and Mathematics and a PhD in Theoretical Physics from the Autonomous University of Madrid. He works as a senior scientist at the Institute of Marine Sciences of the CSIC specializing in remote sensing, turbulence, sea surface salinity, water cycle, sea surface temperature, sea surface currents, and chlorophyll concentration. He has written more than 80 scientific articles, but he is better known as an online activist and editor of The Oil Crash blog, where he addresses sensitive issues about the depletion of conventional fossil fuel resources, such as the peak of oil and its possible implications on a world scale.
About Peter Ward
Peter Ward is a Professor of Biology and Earth and Space Sciences at the University of Washington. He is author of over a dozen books on Earth's natural history including On Methuselah's Trail: Living Fossils and the Great Extinctions; Under a Green Sky; and The Medea Hypothesis, 2009, (listed by the New York Times as one of the "100 most important ideas of 2009"). Ward gave a TED talk in 2008 about mass extinctions.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to The Great Simplification with Nate Higgins. |
| 0:06.3 | That's me. |
| 0:07.7 | On this show, we try to explore and simplify what's happening with energy, the economy, the environment, in our society. |
| 0:17.0 | Together with scientists, experts, and leaders, this show is about understanding the bird's eye view of how everything fits together, where we go from here and what we can do about it as a society and as individuals. |
| 0:33.2 | Humans have had a long and complex relationship with the ocean, but one that is ultimately |
| 0:40.1 | dependent on the deep blue mysterious water that covers most of the surface of our planet. |
| 0:47.4 | The effects of industrial pollution on Earth's seas and oceans, including but not limited |
| 0:53.6 | to CO2 pollution, are not typically discussed in |
| 0:58.1 | mainstream environmental discourse, despite the critical role that oceans play in creating |
| 1:05.0 | sustaining life on Earth. |
| 1:07.7 | Joining me to today to discuss the future systemic risk to Earth's ocean, our professor |
| 1:14.9 | Daniel Pauley from the University of British Columbia and also the head of the ocean fisheries |
| 1:20.5 | research and activist portal, the sea around us. Antonio Turiel, a theoretical physicist and a marine systems expert from |
| 1:31.2 | the Autonomous University of Madrid, Spain. And Professor Peter Ward, a paleobiologist, |
| 1:38.2 | an author of 17 books on prior mass extinctions linking Earth's ocean to historical events. |
| 1:47.4 | All three of these scientists were previous guests on the Great Simplification. |
| 1:51.3 | This conversation was intense and dark, but I feel it is important one. |
| 1:59.6 | Without further ado, here's Reality Roundtable number four on Oceans. |
| 2:25.2 | Welcome, bienvenitos to another episode of Reality Roundtable, here with me today. |
| 2:37.8 | Our ocean scientist Antonio Turiel, a paleobiologist and ocean expert Peter Ward, and ocean fisheries scientist who runs the project Sea, the sea around us, Daniel Polly. |
| 2:41.3 | And you three, to my knowledge, have never met each other before right now. |
| 2:46.4 | So you have in common that you are friends of Nate and you care deeply about the oceans and what is happening. |
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