Titan Sub Disaster | No Risk, No Reward? | 5
American Scandal
Audible
4.5 • 19.6K Ratings
🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Is the genius American innovator just a myth? In this special episode of American Scandal, tech journalists Mark Harris and Kara Swisher, and former CEO and author Safi Bahcall unpack the dangerous allure of this narrative, and how Stockton Rush and OceanGate were far from the only examples.
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| 0:00.0 | From Audible Originals, I'm Lindsay Graham, and this is American Scandal. Stockton Rush cast himself as a visionary, as a rule breaker. |
| 0:35.3 | Through his company, Ocean Gate, he set out to open an untapped market in deep-sea tourism |
| 0:40.5 | and change underwater exploration forever. |
| 0:44.0 | I think it was General MacArthur said, |
| 0:45.8 | you're remembered for the rules you break. |
| 0:47.9 | And, you know, I've broken some rules to make this. |
| 0:50.5 | I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me. |
| 0:54.3 | But in pursuing that dream, he allowed hubris to override safety. |
| 0:58.7 | He dismissed regulators as unimaginative bureaucrats |
| 1:01.5 | and argued formal safety certification was nothing more than an obstacle to progress. |
| 1:06.9 | He was extremely stubborn, extremely stubborn. |
| 1:09.9 | I think he felt he had absolute license, |
| 1:11.6 | that this company was his creation, |
| 1:14.6 | and that ultimately his decision was the only one that mattered. |
| 1:18.6 | Rush's bravado eventually led to disaster |
| 1:21.6 | when he and four of his passengers were killed |
| 1:24.6 | on an excursion to the Titanic in June 2023. |
| 1:28.2 | But his attitude towards risk was far from unique. |
| 1:31.9 | It mirrored a long-established narrative in American business and culture, |
| 1:36.1 | a narrative that cast founders as geniuses who disrupt entire industries through sheer force of will. |
| 1:42.8 | And it's an appealing story. But the reality behind it can be |
| 1:46.6 | far less attractive. I would say generally anyone who relies on that there's something wrong. |
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