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Hello creatives. I'm Joanna Penn. And this is episode number 605 of the podcast. And it is Sunday the 20th of February, 2022, as I record this.

On today's show, I talk to Craig Martel about his journey from the Marine Corps to military intelligence to consulting, and then 20 books to 50K, and what he sees as the best way to make an indie career right now,

plus a discussion of what the biggest indie author conference in the world,

perhaps even the biggest author conference in the world,

20 Books Vegas looks like,

and how an introvert might navigate a few days there.

And yes, I am intending to be at 20 Books Vegas in November 2022.

COVID restrictions allowing, of course. So that is coming up in the interview section.

In publishing and book marketing news, well, in fact, in audio news, the findaway voice's

marketplace is now live and open for you to work with narrators.

And I talked to Will Degas about this last year and this is now available.

So you can go to findawayvoices.com and if you set up an account, you can browse narrators, request auditions, manage the production process

end to end, and then go on to publish through Findaway and of course reach, I think over 42 plus

retailers, library services and more. So I use Findaway for every audiobook now and I love it. So

that is the marketplace is now open. And of course,

if you have experience with ACX for audio, you know that that's what they have offered, which is a sort of,

not so much a narrator marketplace, but you can request auditions and you can work, find people

through that process. And now find a Away offers this and they have a much more

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