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TIP421: Expectations Investing w/ Michael Mauboussin

The Investor's Podcast (We Study Billionaires) - The Investor’s Podcast Network

Stig Brodersen

Education, Investing, Business

4.63.6K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2022

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Trey Lockerbie chats with a very special guest and that is investing legend Michael Mauboussin. Michael is the Head of Consilient Research at Counterpoint Global. He is also the author of three books as well as an adjunct professor at Columbia Business School, where he’s been teaching the Security Analysis course for 30 years.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: 01:52 - Michael's early career working under the tutelage of Bill Miller. 06:08 - His introduction to the Santa Fe Institute and how it shaped his investing style. 15:49 - The 3 steps of what Michael calls Expectations Investing. 19:37 - The concept of reflexivity. 25:26 - The problem with investing is based simply on multiples. 30:35 - The rise of intangibles, what are they, and how to look through them. 39:40 - The golden rule of share buybacks and why they are controversial to some. 55:00 - How to calculate a company's competitive moat. 58:09 - How Michael has updated the Security Analysis course at Columbia. 1:04:33 - How to determine your own cost of capital. And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, and the other community members. Michael Mauboussin's website. Michael Mauboussin's Twitter. Measuring the Moat paper.  Expectations Investing book. Increasing Returns by Brian Arthur book. Scale by Geoffrey West book.  Understanding Michael Porter by Joan Magretta book. Against the Gods by Peter Bernstein book. Valuation by McKinsey book.  A Random Walk Down Wall Street by Burton Malkiel book.  Trey Lockerbie Twitter. 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0:00.0

You're listening to TI-P.

0:03.2

On today's show, we have a very special guest and that is investing legend Michael Mobison.

0:08.7

Michael is head of Consilient Research at Counterpoint Global.

0:12.0

Previously, he was Director of Research at Blue Mountain Capital, head of Global Financial

0:16.3

Strategies at Credit Swiss, and Chief Investment Strategies at Leg Mace and Capital Management.

0:21.4

He's the author of three books as well as an adjunct professor at Columbia Business School

0:25.4

where he's been teaching the Security Analysis course for 30 years.

0:29.0

I hope you're in a comfortable seat because we go on quite a ride with this one.

0:33.1

In this episode, we discuss Michael's early career working under the two-dilig of Bill

0:36.7

Miller.

0:37.7

His introduction to the Santa Fe Institute and how it shaped his investing style, the three

0:41.6

steps of what Michael calls expectations investing, the concept of reflexivity, the problem

0:47.2

with investing based simply on multiples, the rise of intangibles, what are they, how to

0:51.9

look through them, the golden rule of share-buybacks and why they are controversial to some, how

0:56.7

to calculate a company's competitive moat, how Michael has updated the Security Analysis

1:01.2

course at Columbia, how to determine your own cost of capital, and so much more.

1:06.9

This was immediately one of my most enjoyable discussions I've had today on this show.

1:11.7

I have no doubt that you will get a lot out of this one, so without further ado, please

1:15.5

enjoy and learning about expectations investing with Michael Mobison.

1:23.2

You are listening to the Investors Podcast, where we study the financial markets and read

1:28.2

the books that influence self-made billionaires the most.

1:31.4

We keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected.

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