Tip of the Epstein Iceberg & Trump’s Midterm Nerves
The Trawl
Jemma Forte & Marina Purkiss
4.7 • 867 Ratings
🗓️ 7 January 2026
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
The Christmas break is barely a memory, Venezuela is threatening to become “the Greenland situation”, and Trump has kicked off January by delivering one of the most jaw-droppingly stupid geopolitical statements we’ve ever heard.
Before Jemma and Marina get swept up in the next global meltdown, this episode rakes back over everything you might’ve missed while eating leftovers and avoiding your relatives. From Trump’s extraordinary reframing of Russia’s war on Ukraine, to the optics, silences and outright gaslighting surrounding Zelensky, Putin and the world’s most fragile truth.
They also wade into the Epstein files and why their release got so dark over Christmas, why the redactions raised serious questions, and what has (and hasn’t) actually been established so far. They discuss Trump’s midterm panic, the legal cases that never made it to trial, and how power keeps slipping out of reach of accountability.
But because life can’t be wall-to-wall bleak, the Trawl ladies also bring some positive receipts: real wins, real progress, and reasons not to spiral before January’s even finished. Plus Peruvian shamans, underrated tweets of the week, and a genuinely lovely poetic pudding to send you on your way.
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, we are recording. |
| 0:03.1 | Oh, yeah, music. |
| 0:06.9 | Okay, let's go. |
| 0:09.2 | Because if we don't win the algorithms so you don't have to. |
| 0:31.4 | We come with receipts, context, and a mild sense of dread. |
| 0:35.7 | You're Marina Perkis. |
| 0:37.1 | I am Marina Perkis. |
| 0:38.9 | And I'm Gemma Forte. |
| 0:40.3 | And by now, the Christmas break feels like a distant memory, quite frankly. |
| 0:45.6 | Yesterday, we returned to the mics chomping at the bit, desperate to dissect the Barmy Venezuela situation, which is rapidly turning into the Greenland |
| 0:56.8 | situation. |
| 0:57.9 | Which might turn into the Cubar situation or the Columbia situation. |
| 1:02.6 | Oh my giddy on. |
| 1:04.1 | Yeah. |
| 1:04.6 | And if Trump's latest demented utterings are to be believed, then that really is a genuine |
| 1:09.4 | concern. |
| 1:10.7 | Oh, like we are going to get back |
| 1:12.2 | to all of that next week. We've got other stuff to discuss in today's episode and on Fridays as |
| 1:16.9 | well. But I just want to quickly whack in a clip that I spotted this morning. And yeah, I just feel like |
| 1:24.6 | if you're going to kidnap the president of another country, you probably |
| 1:29.0 | do need to find out the legals of requirements around that, if there are any, and be able to, |
| 1:37.2 | I don't know, surround yourself as well, the crack legal team, I think, so that you can cover any |
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