I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of

the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present.

Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right

now. Welcome to part two of our conversation.

But now you have a new wound. I mean, mothers don't expect to bury their children. They

expect to be buried by their children. So when you heard of Craig's suicide, did how

did that impact you when you first heard it?

Well, first of all, I didn't believe it because me and Craig's last talks were, mother,

I'm so happy. I'm really happy now. The next time he said, I've met a woman that I have

never felt that way about for a very long time. This was our last two conversations. And

the very last one was he said, hi, mother, I just want to hear your voice in that last.

That one stuck out because he had never said that. I think that was his goodbye to me.

But I didn't realize that until this happened. At the moment when Craig said, Tina, Craig

is dead. He shot himself. Well, I didn't feel emotional or anything because I didn't

believe it. There must be a mistake. And then after I set up and said, tell me more,

I don't get it. This, this, this, this, somebody must be playing, not playing a game because

that doesn't, and it didn't make sense to me. And then after, after I found that it was

Craig and whatever pushed him to that point, that was a reality. And then what made me

emotional was the fact that he took a gun, shot himself in the head, and lay there for

four days. That is what I still battle with. I'm still working with trying to find out

why after one week of telling me how happy he was, a woman in his life, a great job had

just decorated his apartment. What did it? And I haven't found out yet. But I haven't

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