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There is one story this week that has captivated, that has caught the attention, that has taken all the oxygen out of newsrooms across the US, across the world.

It is the Jeffrey Epstein saga and Donald Trump's involvement or not involvement in it,

and the strenuous denials of a White House looking more and more embattled.

The ingredients are compelling. Politics, power, wealth,

paedophilia and the presidency. Not all those circles overlap, but Donald Trump's efforts to distance

himself are failing. In a moment, we're going to talk to a titan of journalism,

Tina Brown, the former editor-in-chief of Tatler, Vanity Fair, the New Yorker and the Daily Beast,

and one of the first journalists to start investigating Jeffrey Epstein. She knew him, she knows Trump. Coming up next. Welcome to the news

agents. The news agents. It's John. And our guest today is someone who you may have heard a couple of

months ago on the podcast, Tina Brown,

because she has such an extraordinary journalistic career and still plays such an important

role in keeping the flame of good journalism burning brightly that she spoke at length to Lewis

about her career. Today, I want to focus in on something much more specific.

I want to focus in on New York in the 2000s, the Nauties, as they were called at the time.

And the sort of characters that were playing such a prominent role, Epstein, Trump,

and where it leaves us today and the role of

journalism holding those people in power to account for what they did.

Tina Brown, absolutely fabulous to have you back on the news agents. Thank you so much.

Look, I want to talk about where the story is right now in just a moment.

But maybe we could start with the fact that when you were editor-in-chief of The Daily Beast,

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