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no bull and the aftermath.

And I think that we frankly owe somewhat of a debt to Snowden for having warned us of

the potential dangers of this kind of mass surveillance operation.

I talk about Turnkey tyranny.

It was a phrase that Snowden used in his first interview with Glenn Greenwald or he said

something along the lines of, you know, why did you do this?

And he says, I fear what the government might do with this hour.

And he said, someday a new leader will be elected and they'll flip the switch.

And we will all potentially be subject to the kind of political surveillance that we all

fear.

Now that hasn't happened yet, at least as far as we know, there's a good question and

had this wonderful phrase, malevolence tempered by incompetence.

He'll reveal the Trump White House even managed to exploit all of these surveillance loopholes

that Sean Spicer talked about when he was trying to defend Trump's tweets about Obama

surveilling him.

I don't know, but it gives me real pause.

And so I feel like it's good for the country that we know about this and that therefore we

have been warned about the potential for abuse in a much more dramatic way than if none

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