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It's a January fascinating list, it's sort of a focus group in three acts. That's coming

up in just a moment. First though, as ever, we kick off with the columnists.

The columnists on Times Radio.

Yes, it's Thursday, so it should be nice at the Marriott's, but James Marriott is off

having his gap before he goes to university. So we have got India night morning, India.

Good morning. Nice to have you with us. And John is Patrick Kidd's time to dive you

to the morning, Patrick. Hello, Matt. Nice to have you both with us. Now, this is,

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