This is the Tom Hartman program.

And welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

And on the line with us, our old buddy, the executive director of SocialSecurityWorks.org

Alex Lawson also strengthens SocialSecurity.org, a law, 202 on Twitter or SS works also on Twitter.

Alex, I take it, you're not live from the four seasons landscaping, although I've seen

the picture of you guys there without the hair dye running down your face like Rudy did.

So welcome back to the program.

Tell us what's going on with Andrews Saul, first of all, after you want to clear up the

four seasons thing.

I'm just impressed, Tom, with you.

I always am, but I was looking for a way to bring up the fact that I had just visited this

landmark in Philadelphia because while I was there, there were two other people there

who are huge fans of yours and somewhat knew my work because of your show, Tom.

So that was amazing.

Yeah, that's great.

So tell us about Andrews Saul, the last time you were on a couple of months ago, we were

talking about how Trump put these two guys, Saul and David Black in charge of SocialSecurity

and Medicare with the explicit purpose of basically destroying these programs.

What's the latest on this?

Fired, that's the latest and it's wonderful news for all of us.

You're exactly right and as your listeners know, you know, better than many people, Trump's

thing was to put saboteurs in place, you know, to joy at the Postal Service.

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