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Hi, Oliver.

Hi, Bob.

How you doing?

I'm very well.

How are you?

I'm doing okay.

Let me introduce us.

I'm Robert Wright.

This is the right show available in both streaming video and via audio podcast. You are Oliver Bergman, well-known journalist. You've written a lot for The Guardian, but you write for other places too. You have written books, including in the past, one called The Antidote. Happiness for People who Can't Stay in Positive thinking. And you've actually pretty recently recorded a conversation with me about free will, something I think we will agree we got to the bottom of. Totally. Totally solved. Yeah. It's done. Wait till the professional philosophers here. The reason I haven't posted it, honestly, is because I don't want to put those people out of work.

I mean, some of them have 10 years.

Some of them don't.

And anyway, I'm honestly not sure if that conversation is going to run before or after this, possibly after.

In any event, this conversation is about your new book, 4,000 weeks. I'm holding it up to the screen. Time

Management for Mortals by Oliver Burtman. I've got a finished copy here. Yeah. Oh, so

yours looks better. This is actually galleys. Yeah, you, yeah, yeah. That I'm holding.

So listen, tell me if I say anything you think is going to hurt book sales.

Okay, just stop me in mid-sentence, but seems to me that a key takeaway here is the situation is hopeless and the sooner you give up the better on the time management front

i would object violently to that maybe we should back up okay actually you know what i might not

object to the first part situation is hopeless but i think that's a cause for you shouldn't give up

no you should release and getting cool things done and feeling energized and inspired.

Yeah.

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