I think keeping that mindset that you have more time than you think for the things you want to do, but that time is ultimately limited.

You have 168 hours a week, you have 8,760 hours in a year, so what do you want to do with them?

So I don't know about you, but I've had a lot of conversations where people tell me that they would love to be writers.

Not just right on the side, not just do something occasionally, but actually live the life of a writer. Earn their living that way.

Today's guest, Laura Vannecam, has done just that. She is a writer, full-time, contributing regular to a whole bunch of different magazines and multi-time author.

Her latest book, actually, I know how she does it, is forthcoming in just a little bit this year.

And we're going to dive into both the writer's life, what it's like to actually construct a career or a vocation around writing, when that's the thing that you love to do most.

And then we're going to dive into the book, and specifically actually some of the research, really cool eye-opening and myth-busting research that she's done around the illusion of how we think we spend our time during the day,

and how we really spend our time during the day. We talk about priorities in a really different way. We talk about sleep.

And she actually says that most of us are getting a lot more sleep than we think we're getting. And we dive into that because she did her own research to actually make these claims.

So I hope you enjoy this conversation.

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Fun to be hanging out with you here. I think you know like I think it's actually the article that you actually wrote about making workplaces more like a camp environment that got you into my radar and then I started exploring what else you were up to.

I realized that I guess we probably share some pretty similar views on how to work and how not to work and how to contribute to the world.

But I'm curious about your background because I actually don't know a whole lot about your personal journey.

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