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Hey everybody, it's Nealife from The Verge Cast. This is the second of our new interview

episodes we're going to start doing earlier in the week. It is Monopoly week at The Verge. We have

a whole series of articles coming out about antitrust law, Monopoly's regulating big tech,

and I got to sit down with Tim Wu. Who you might know is the guy who invented the phrase net neutrality,

he also wrote the book The Master Switch, which we have probably talked about 5,000 times in The

Verge Cast for the past few years. Tim has a new book coming out in November called The Curse of

Bigness. Antitrust and new Guilful Age is all about how we used to break up big companies like

Standard Oil and AT&T. When after Microsoft, we stopped doing it and he thinks we should start

doing it again. So Tim and I talked about how antitrust law works, where it went wrong,

how we can fix it, and honestly we talked a lot about breaking up Facebook. Check it out.

All right, we're here with Tim Wu, who is the coiner of the phrase net neutrality. The last time we

talked, which was years ago, you had some regrets about this phrase, but it is endured beyond

beyond your doubts. You've also wrote the attention merchants, I just put it on online advertising,

you wrote Master Switch, and you have a new book coming out in November called The Curse of

Bigness, which is about antitrust law. Welcome Tim, how are you doing? Thank you, great.

So it's antitrust week at The Verge, which I think we're actually calling Monopoly week now.

It's a slightly more interesting name. And I know your book isn't coming out in November,

but I really wanted to bring you on and sort of talk about the state of play in regards specifically

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