This week, Donald Trump spoke on the phone with Tim Wals, the Minnesota governor he considers

a political enemy. The call was something of a minor concession in a week of minor concessions.

The killing of Alex Preti by federal agents looks like a turning point. Trump started hearing

objections from everywhere, including people who normally

support him. Republicans, gun rights advocates, celebrities, athletes. So the president made some moves.

He ushered Greg Bovino out of Minnesota. The Department of Homeland Security said they put the

two agents involved in

Pretty's shooting on administrative leave and Trump called for a quote big

investigation into the shooting I'm Hannah Rosen this is Radio Atlantic in this

episode an interview with walls I was out reporting in and around Minneapolis,

and this interview with Governor Walls had been set for 3 o'clock,

so make my way over to the Capitol.

Atlantic staff writer Isaac Stanley Becker interviewed the governor on Wednesday

to get a sense of whether he thinks the promises Trump is making

will make a difference

on the ground in Minnesota. Isaac, welcome to the show. Thanks, Hannah. So going into this interview

with Tim Walls, what was the main thing that you were wondering about? I think I had some practical

questions for him about how much he knew about certain really basic details,

or I guess details that one would assume under ordinary circumstances the governor of a state would know,

such as what exactly are federal agents doing in his state, how many of them are there, what are they up to? And then also,

what are the names and the identities of federal agents who had just killed a resident of his state?

And just right off the bat, one of the striking things was that he had little information,

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