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When you look at the model of great men and women in the Bible, there's a call, there's a purpose, but then there's a process.

And oftentimes in that process is great pain.

That pain produces the purpose of God in that great man or great woman of God's life

to get them into the assignment, to get them into the call, to get them into that greater

purpose that God has placed on them.

And so often the very places we desire to run from, and in the very

places God desires to do a miracle in.

My next guest serves as the senior pastor of Celebration Church in Jacksonville, Florida.

Timberlake, has authored several

bestselling books, and his latest is about embracing the hard things of life with divine and human

help. It's called The Bumpy Road to Better, unlocking the hidden power in hard things. Tim,

thanks so much for joining us. Thank you, Kirkus. It's honor and a privilege, man. Well, I can't think of anything more helpful and needed than framing the

way that we interpret hard things because so often what I really want is the easy life. I don't

want to have things that cause me pain, but life's so full of that stuff

that if you can transform that for me into gifts that actually make me better, I will be so

grateful. Absolutely. I think, you know, a lot of times we look at pain as this negative thing

when, in fact, pain can produce something positive.

Yeah.

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