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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Tim Shipman On The UK Elections

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2024

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

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The best political reporter in Britain returns to the Dishcast to discuss the election on July 4. Tim has been a chief political commentator at The Sunday Times since 2014, after serving eight years as political editor. His first two books, All Out War and Fall Out, are indispensable to understanding the politics of Brexit, and his new book is No Way Out: Brexit: From the Backstop to Boris.

For two clips of our convo — on the fall of Rishi Sunak, and Nigel Farage entering the “clusterfuck,” as Tim puts it — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: 14 years of Tory power; George Osborne’s austerity; Boris the cosmopolitan liberal Tory; how he screwed up Brexit; his common touch overshadowed by breaking his own Covid rules; deep spending during the pandemic; his bromance with Zelensky; vowing to cut migration but legislating mass, unskilled migration; Theresa May unable to right the ship; the Liz Truss disaster; her naive libertarianism and supply-side shock therapy; Rishi Sunak sweeping in from a smoke-filled room; coming in as a technocratic problem-solver but lacking the political skill; surrounded by Yes Men and “surprisingly brittle”; his rolling series of campaign blunders this month — starting with his election announcement in the pouring rain; the D-Day disaster; Nigel Farage entering the “clusterfuck” and splitting the Tory base; losing all his previous seven races for Parliament; how Reform will get one, maybe two seats; how Farage is close with Trump and “more jovial”; how Farage had to backtrack on Putin ; why Keir Starmer is not proposing radical change (like Thatcher did); how he’s touting “stability” and “competence”; his policy is thin; my reflections on befriending and debating Keir during our school days; how he was a class-war leftist in his youth, with swagger; the depth of his ambition (even more than Rishi); how he outmaneuvered Jeremy Corbyn and distanced the party from anti-Semitism; the Cass Review; China policy; Blairism; how old party allegiances are mostly gone; and how July 4 could see the worst election loss since 1906.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Erick Erickson on the left’s spiritual crisis, Anne Applebaum on autocrats, Lionel Shriver on her new novel, Bill Wasik and Monica Murphy on animal cruelty, Van Jones, and Stephen Fry! Send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hey there. Welcome to another dishcast. This is the discast being broadcast to you the weekend before the British elections.

0:40.7

And I figured readers of the weekly edition needed to know what's happening, what has happened,

0:47.5

what's going on, doesn't mean anything for the United States.

0:51.1

And also, our British listeners and readers may be interested in a more sophisticated,

0:56.8

high-level discussion. And the person who can bring both of those together is a returning

1:00.8

champion to the weekly dish, to the dishcast, Tim Shipman, best political reporter in the UK.

1:08.2

He's been the chief political commentator at the Sunday Times since 2014 after serving

1:13.6

eight years as the political editor. His first two books, Fallout War and Fallout, are indispensable

1:20.9

to understanding the politics of Brexit. And his new book is called No Way Out Brexit from the

1:26.9

backstop to Boris.

1:29.4

Just to, before we start, just to thank you for subscribing.

1:33.2

To let you know who we have coming up, we have Eric Erickson, the dissident.

1:40.0

We're not that dissident, Republican talk show host, who has a new book out about

1:44.4

Nosticism, believe it or not, on the right and left.

1:47.3

We have Lionel Shriver, the novelist on her new novel.

1:50.9

We have Bill Wasek and Monica Murphy talking about the history of animal cruelty.

1:56.0

Stephen Fry is going to come on to talk about whatever the fuck he wants to because he's

2:00.1

Stephen Fry.

2:01.3

And Van Jones is going to come on to talk about whatever the fuck he wants to because he's Stephen Fry. And Van Jones is going to come on.

2:04.7

So exciting. And if you haven't subscribed, this conversation will peter out about after about an hour and you'll miss all the juiciest bits.

2:12.7

So please do subscribe. You know how to. Thank you also. We are a record number of paid subscribers.

2:19.2

We're coming up to our fourth anniversary. I think in two weeks time, we will be four years old,

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