The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode. Hey everybody welcome to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of

God and the good of others.

Every single week I'm bringing you a conversation

with a Christian who's pursuing world-class mastery of their craft.

Not necessarily world famous, but world- class at what they do. We're talking about each guest,

path to mastery, we're talking about their daily habits or routines, and how their faith influences the work they do every day.

Today I'm so excited to share this conversation, this energetic conversation

I recently had with Tim Newton.

He's a world-class branding expert currently working as the senior

creative officer at Ramsey Solutions Dave Ramsey's company unofficially

within the organization he's the branding guy, the one responsible for helping to bring great brands like Dave Ramsey into the world.

And as you're going to hear in a minute, I saw Tim give a presentation back in October of 2019.

It was easily one of the best presentations I've ever seen.

It was all about branding and immediately afterwards I ran up to him,

got an introduction from somebody and asked for him to come on to the call to mastery.

So Tim and I recently sat down, we talked about how Nike and Apple and Disney have built transcendent exponential brands basically by mimicking the way that we make

personal friendships today.

We talked about how Tim's faith fuels his passionate hatred of credit card companies and student loan services

and we talked about how to open up space and time for God to speak into our lives

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