Gahy humans. Welcome to the safe space for unsafe conversations. This is your refuge from the

black and white world of right wing blowhards and left wing complainers. This is the place

beyond the echo chamber of your social media feed and the partisan mainstream press. It's a place without good guys and bad guys

where the only thing that's banned is taking offence at a true statement. And I suppose black and

white worldviews as well are not welcome here. There are no taboos. There are only good arguments

and bad arguments. I'm here to

sniff them out. Change doesn't happen in an echo chamber friends. Welcome to uncomfortable

conversations. Today's show is one of the quirkiest and most original and most fascinating so far.

Let me explain what's going on here.

When I moved from the US to Australia, back to Australia. It was the very end of 2017, and I had two

newborn twins and a somewhat stalled former podcast, which many of you will have been fans of,

called We the People Live, which had had a very successful run in the United States, and which

gradually fell apart under the burden of being a new father and moving to the other side of the

world and taking on a new job at ABC Radio in Sydney.

And one of the final hurrahs that I recorded for that show, not knowing at the time that

it was going to be final,

because I didn't realize that my life was going to be as complicated in 2018 as it turned out to be,

was a live event with the one and only Tim Minchin.

We gathered at the Giant Dwarf Theatre in December of 2018, just before Christmas, to a sold-out show, a packed house.

And Tim and I chatted, and Tim performed my favorite song of his.

It's called White Wine in the Sun.

It's a Christmas ode about a person who is living abroad, as many young Australians

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