Tim Miller vs. Rep. Gottheimer: War Debate Gets HEATED
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🗓️ 7 April 2026
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Rep. Josh Gottheimer joins Tim Miller for a heated debate over the war with Iran—where even pro-war lawmakers admit they still don’t know the plan. They clash over whether weakening Iran justifies the risks, rising costs at home, and the lack of clear objectives, while digging into Trump’s leadership, Israel’s role, and the looming War Powers showdown in Congress.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. Welcome to the bulwark. I'm Tim Miller. Delighted to be here with New Jersey Congressman Josh Gothheimer. |
| 0:06.0 | Sir, I think maybe we have some disagreements over the Iran War. We can hash out a little bit. And so I want to get into that. |
| 0:13.0 | But first, just because things are moving so fast, I just want to kind of lay out where things are as we tape. Obviously, this is Tuesday afternoon. The president this morning was posting about Ohio, |
| 0:23.6 | a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. |
| 0:27.6 | About an hour ago, Pakistan put out a public statement saying that they're asking for a two-week ceasefire. |
| 0:33.6 | We're seeing some reporting literally right now as we're talking that maybe there's some optimism about that from both sides. |
| 0:40.7 | We'll see how it shakes out. |
| 0:41.9 | So that's where things stand. |
| 0:44.4 | When we scheduled this conversation, you'd put out a statement talking about how you were different from some of your other, your fellow Democrats, because you were more proactive |
| 0:55.2 | in supporting the decision to act against the Iranian regime. I'm wondering if that's where you still |
| 1:01.4 | stand here, about a month in a little over a little bit. Well, so, you know, what hasn't changed is my |
| 1:06.7 | view that actually, if you look at my release from a month ago, I think it's very consistent |
| 1:11.2 | with my position now, which is one, we've got to do everything we can to crush the Iranian |
| 1:16.8 | government in the sense of going back to the late 70s, this regime has literally killed scores |
| 1:26.3 | of Americans, attacked our allies, attacked and killed our service |
| 1:30.7 | members and our bases, through their terror proxies, killed thousands more. |
| 1:36.6 | None of that's changed. |
| 1:38.3 | Their banner is death to America, as you know, were the great Satan, according to them. They took our embassy and turned it into a hate |
| 1:46.8 | museum against Americans, right? So, you know, and they continue to threaten our democracy and |
| 1:53.2 | freedom. None of that's changed at all. They also, you know, from I'm on the Intelligence Committee |
| 1:57.7 | without going into specifics, although some of this has been |
| 2:00.8 | declassified by the Secretary of State talking about it. But as you know, they've been very aggressive |
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