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Tim Miller: Trump Laughs at Being Called "Fascist"—But We Shouldn't

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 November 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Tim Miller join MSNOW’s The Weekend (with The Bulwark’s own Catherine Rampell) to discuss Trump’s weird Mamdani meeting, why MTG suddenly bailed on Congress, and what the looming Epstein Files release could shake loose.

Check out The Weekend on MSNOW: https://www.ms.now/the-weekend

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody. I'm here at the MSNAL Studios. I just jumped off set with our bulwark gal,

0:05.2

Catherine Rampel, and everybody else on the weekend crowd. And we were talking about the

0:11.1

Zoron-Trump bromance meeting, Marjor Taylor Green, deciding that she's going to leave Congress,

0:18.2

as well as some Epstein-Files stuff. And, you know, there's only one thing I didn't want to get to that I wasn't able to get to, rather, that I wanted to add for you guys with the Trump-Zerun meeting. I think that there was a lot there that was predictable. The way that Zodon handled that, I think, was very strong. I don't know that I would have liked it if it was a Democratic 2028 person, but as a mayor

0:39.8

of New York who needs to work with Trump and who has his own juice right now, I think what

0:44.3

Zoran did made a lot of sense strategically. And I get into some more on the show about what I think

0:50.3

Zoran did, got out of this meeting rather, that was really useful for him.

0:59.7

But the one thing that did bug me was that Trump makes his joke that says,

1:05.5

go ahead, you can call me a fascist. It's fine. And they laugh. And, you know, it's like a big ha, ha, ha. And I don't want to be the clutching pearls guy, but it's like in our country, our system of government actually matters.

1:16.4

And the fact that we are a republic, the oldest running democracy in the world, is something that is important and meaningful.

1:23.6

It's meaningful to people throughout the world. It's meaning of people to people in our country.

1:26.4

And they just joke about it and just be like, hey, I'm a fascist. Ha ha ha ha. The mayor of New York can call me a fascist. It's no big deal. To me, that sends a bad sign. It sends a bad sign to the world. And it makes the whole thing feel fake, right? It makes our whole system of government feel fake.

1:44.6

And I think it contributes to the lack of trust about what's happening. It makes everybody think

1:48.0

that we're just playing and pretend. And this is just a big reality TV show. And there's not

1:52.7

actually any weight to the system of government. There's not any meaning to it. So, anyway,

1:59.7

sorry to get a little heavy for you. Stick around.

2:02.4

Your girl Catherine Pell is with me. She's on here on the weekend every night on every weekend night on

2:06.4

MS now. And I'll be back in my Pinto Bean's chair on Monday with Bill Crystal. See you all then.

2:13.7

Let's start with the Trump-Mamdani meeting, which I know shocked some people on both sides of the political spectrum.

2:20.8

Oh, Elise has some, take a look at this.

2:23.1

So this is quite a turn of events when it comes to the New York Post.

2:27.0

It's not a sickle like they had had up on another mom-dani cover.

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