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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Tim Miller: Staving Off Nihilism in the Face of Trump 2.0

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.8 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by his pal Tim Miller—OG Never Trumper and host of The Bulwark Podcast—for an extended therapy session a week out from the start of Donald Trump’s second term. Tim explains why he finds it impossible to care about Trump non-sentence sentencing or the impending release of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s report on Trump’s role in January 6; his take on the collective tongue bath being given 45/47 by the tech billionaire class; and the long-run political implications of the face-off between Steve Bannon and Elon Musk. Tim also describes his strategy for combating his impulses towards nihilism in the face of what Trump 2.0 signifies and may hold in store: from hitting Tipitina’s and gorging himself on crawfish to trekking to the UK to see Oasis reunite (hopefully!) this summer.   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and namaste everyone and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and

0:08.6

Odyssey joint featuring lively in-depth, sometimes just ever so slightly profane conversations

0:14.4

with the people who roam the corridors of power and influence in America, weaving the

0:18.4

warp and wept of our politics and culture. We are exactly one week out from January 20th, inauguration day.

0:27.3

And even though it feels like Donald Trump's second term started on the morning of November

0:31.2

6th, next Monday is its actual factual kickoff.

0:37.4

Unless you are among the literally millions of people out in my hometown,

0:41.4

dealing with the apocalyptic nightmare of the Los Angeles wildfires,

0:45.1

and God knows we're thinking of them all the time,

0:48.0

sending them all of the compassion and empathy and positive vibes that we can muster.

0:52.3

Unless you're one of them, though, you're a person of goodwill.

0:57.4

It's elsewhere in America.

0:59.4

For you, the most urgent and essential task at hand is girding yourself for the impending

1:05.6

reality of Trump 2.0.

1:07.8

And for that task, we couldn't think of anyone better to help us than my pal Tim Miller.

1:14.8

O.G. Never Trumper, host of the Daily Bullwork podcast, author of the bestselling Why We Did It,

1:21.4

a travelogue from the Republican Road to Hell, Unrepentant, Timote, Salome, Super Stan, and simply one of the most entertaining yackers that i know

1:31.4

if you're wondering what tim has to say about trump's non-sentence sentencing in judge juan marciaun's

1:37.9

courtroom last week or what he has to say about the impending release of jack smith's january 6th report

1:43.0

or what he has to say about the eagerending release of Jack Smith's January 6th report? Or what he has to say about the eager tongue-bathing of Donald Trump by Mark Zuckerberg,

1:49.4

Jeff Bezos, and the rest of the tech lordocracy?

1:52.4

Or about Musk versus Bannon?

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