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Tim Miller: I Refuse to Give Up on America

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Tim Miller joins Nicolle Wallace to get extremely real about his fears for American democracy—torn between pessimism, anger, and a stubborn hope that redemption is still possible.

Catch Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC: https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, Timor from the Bullwark here.

0:01.4

We got into some heavy stuff on MSNBC today.

0:04.2

Cable News, how about that?

0:06.4

Deep thoughts, real feelings.

0:11.3

I guess that's where we are in the country right now.

0:13.7

I was there with Nicole Wallace and Alex Wagner.

0:16.6

And we just started talking about where we are in this country, whether there's any hope for actually de-escalating and finding common ground, whether what our threat assessment is on where we are when it comes to authoritarianism.

0:36.9

And I just, you know, I just,

0:39.9

you can probably sense it in me if you're a daily viewer of the channel.

0:43.8

This is the one question I'm really torn about because I just,

0:47.2

I have this natural instinct inside of me that is a pessimistic one.

0:52.8

I have my inner JVL.

0:58.1

I see a lot of, um of the warning signs out there.

1:04.5

And I see things probably getting worse before they get better. Thanks to our president.

1:12.0

Thanks to AI. Thanks to cultural pressure, social pressure, cultural norms. Talk about this more on tomorrow's podcast.

1:12.8

So buckle up.

1:15.9

And so I feel that pessimism.

1:19.9

I feel that worry.

1:30.8

I feel that just sort of the sort of sense of being beaten down. I get it. I'm there.

1:40.6

The outlook in my crystal ball, my little magic eight ball, outlook not positive for American democracy and for our society.

1:49.1

And yet, who the fuck am I to give up?

1:51.5

It's not over yet.

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