Hey, vigilante listeners. For this episode, we're going to play a conversation between

myself and Hannah Smith, the host of Cass' other investigative podcast series, The Opportunist.

We talked about what it was like on the ground in Texas, and what's most likely next

for the case. This conversation contains massive spoilers. You haven't finished all five

episodes of vigilante yet. I encourage you to go back and do that first.

Enjoy vigilante season one, epilogue.

Let's just start at the beginning. I'd love to hear a little bit about your career path,

what I've catch us up to, what you've been doing, and then how that led you to podcasting.

Sure. I started my career down in South Florida at an alt weekly called The Miami New Times,

where I covered crime and subcultures. Then I moved to a sister paper also in South Florida

called New Times Broward Palm Beach. I did the same thing except a little bit more focus

on weight-caller crime. After that, I went to Vice Magazine in New York, where I became

a bit of a generalist doing stuff for the magazine. I was there for about six years, stopped

doing that, did some freelance stuff, and then got the opportunity to do my first podcast,

which was vigilante. Then where along that journey did you decide to get your private investigator

license? That was sort of something that I dreamed up during the pandemic. I actually planned

on doing it right before the pandemic, and you have to take a three hour sort of written

exam. I was scheduled to take it in March of 2020. That didn't really pan out for another

nine months or something like that. But I did get it during the middle of the pandemic,

and it was moving around a lot during that time, also moved to Philly for a little bit.

I'm only licensed in New York, and I was planning on sort of shadowing somebody when I came back,

but then coming back sort of coincided with getting this job. So the person I ended up shadowing

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