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Most people were never taught how the Bible actually works. We were taught what to believe from it,

but not how it was designed to communicate meaning.

And when you read it the wrong way, confusion and frustration are almost inevitable.

This is a two-part conversation with biblical scholar Tim Mackie, and it's foundational for

everything we do at Faith Lab. In part one, Tim helps retrain how you read the Bible. What kind of book is this?

Why repetition and patterns matter and why treating it like a rulebook or a textbook

misses the point entirely. In part two, we'll take that same framework and explore how it

reshapes the way Christians think about Jesus, ethics, and what it actually means

to call scripture the Word of God. Tim Mackey is a biblical scholar and co-founder of the Bible

project, known for helping millions of people understand the Bible as a unified literary story.

This conversation originally took place a few years ago on a previous podcast I hosted,

but it's so central to the vision of Faith Lab that I wanted to bring it forward here, lightly reframed and

with some added commentary so new listeners can encounter it fresh. Here's part one of our conversation

with Tim Mackie.

My interest in, like, more academic biblical studies came after a couple of years where I've been taking classes on the Bible as literature in college.

But once I got exposed to the Dead Sea Scrolls and began to read around the floodlights that those

texts shed on the scribal origins and the processes by which the biblical text came into existence,

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