Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran suing ex-band members in a Los Angeles

County courthouse for publishing rights or else a scrappy upstart, being fired from a farmer's

market gig for using too much profanity, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every

writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of June 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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