Hey, everyone. Well, big breaking news. We're here with Joanna Stern of the new things and the author of I am new, I am not a robot. And I'm going to break this news to her right here on camera.

Yeah. Joanna, Tim Cook, has stepped down as the CEO of Apple and John Ternis is going to replace him as of September 1st.

Wow.

So Joanna had no idea this.

This happened as we were recording an episode.

That episode will come on big technology podcasts pretty soon,

but we're just going to get this out here now,

and this will be a bit of an emergency show.

So we have 15 minutes.

What do you think about the significance of the news?

Wow, wow, wow.

I'm scared to go look at my phone right now.

Not, I mean, shocking in terms of timing, not shocking in terms of the choice and that it's

happening. I think we just kind of thought this was going to be pushed down the road a little bit.

What do you think? The timing, I thought it was going to happen this year. Yeah. It obviously

puts Apple into this sort of uncharted territory. You could have seen Tim Cook as an extension

of Steve Jobs. Ternus is pretty young. So it's definitely going to be a brand new era for Apple.

And I also am curious what you think

about this. He's the senior vice president of hardware engineering. In an age where AI is going to

really factor a lot. I'm curious if someone running hardware engineering is the right choice for Apple.

What do you think? I mean, it's, it will be very interesting to see how a company that has recently become an operation,

I'm not recently, since Cook took over is really an operations company, right?

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