Is informed therapy even legal on this edition of Truth and Love?

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I'm so grateful to have with me, my dear friend and co-author, or co-editor,

I should say, Ed Wildy. So glad to have you here, brother. You've been a lawyer for 35 years,

an adjunct professor of law and biblical counseling at the Master's University,

affiliated lawyer with the Alliance

Defending Freedom. And you've represented ACBC in Amicus before the Supreme Court. In fact,

we're recording on the day in which oral arguments are being heard in the Charles versus

Salazar case. And I'm so grateful for your work there. I'll just say publicly how much I

appreciate your work. You've presented us very well in some of the arguments that we're very

concerned about. So, my brother, thank you. And I'm looking forward to our discussion today.

Well, I'm looking forward to being here also. And it's my honor and privilege to be here.

It's great. So I think you're raising this question when we talk

about informed therapy. And we hear this all the time today, especially in terms of trauma

informed or biblically informed or whatever we're talking about in terms of being informed,

clinically informed and all the rest of it. I think it's important that we understand, like, what's at stake?

So, you know, part of my duties is to describe, okay, what does informed therapy really like?

And should we really be informed by that over and against scripture?

You're kind of taking a little bit different angle here.

You understand all those arguments, but you're looking at the legal perspective, which I think is of

concern.

And I want us to at least consider that. So maybe a place we should start is how do we think

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