The Heart is always active on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

I'm thrilled to have Marshall Adkins with me this

week. He serves as assistant professor of biblical counseling at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

in Kansas City, Missouri. He's an ACBC certified counselor. He's married to Rachel, and they have

three children, and I'm excited that he is working toward his defense, and we'll be done with this

Ph.D. degree soon. Marshall, welcome to the podcast. Thanks, still. It's great to be on.

Well, looking forward to our discussion today. What I want to do is revisit what I would consider

to be one of our key tenets within the biblical counseling world. And this is one of the aspects of biblical anthropology

that we would describe it, that really is a way in which we focus on the key things that are most

important about who we are as a human being, how Jesus describes who we are as a human

being, what we see consistently throughout the scriptures, and why it's important that we are always

moral agents responding in everything in life, and that the things that we do are spiritual

by nature. And it's important for us to understand those key tenets. Describe to me, Marshall,

this concept of the heart. So when we talk about the heart always being active,

let's first define what are we describing when we're talking about the heart from a biblical perspective. Well, first I can say I definitely agree that this is a key tenet of biblical counseling

and even thinking back in my own learning of biblical counseling and history with engaging with biblical counseling material.

I can remember encountering these truths, reading biblical counseling books, and seeing what the

Bible teaches about the heart, and realizing how transforming those truths were in my own life,

and then also how meaningful those truths became

in how I ministered to other people in the counseling relationship and even beyond. So the Bible,

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