ACBC mailbag on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Francine Tan.

She works here at ACBC, is a recent graduate, Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary,

with her PhD and applied theology.

And so grateful for her, she's going to help me today answer some of your questions.

And I have to say, this is a fun segment for us to be able to hear some questions that you have. It lets us know how you're processing some of the content that we've put out. I love this level of engagement and how information is hitting you. And then the questions that you have. It's one of the most exciting things that I get to experience when I'm standing teaching with my students and I get to have that level of interaction.

And this is a fun way for us to be able to do that.

The question today, Francine, that we're going to wrestle with is can we explain the relationship between shame and guilt?

Can we explain the relationship between shame and guilt? I think this is a great question

because I think really at base, it's broad in this sense, but at base, these are the types of things

that counseling, soul care is really about. When we get to the bottom of it is what's appropriate

in our feelings of shame, what's appropriate in our understanding of guilt, is secular

therapy really just trying to eliminate this very natural thing that we would feel in shame

and guilt? Right. I think if you understand the history of psychology, you would know that one of the

primary things that Freud was trying to accomplish was a re-explanation of the concept of

guilt. And he was trying to remove the concept of guilt, thinking that that's what led to

all of the disorders, the concept of hysteria, neurosis, and psychosis, and so on. So this is very

much at the root of what's going on. Now, let's take the side of the theoretical from the

history of psychology and what it was trying to do. And let's bring this into having a conversation

biblically about this concept of shame and guilt. So let's talk about that relationship

between shame and guilt if we're thinking about this biblically francing.

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