Counseling Discernment from John Newton on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I have with me, Dr. Keith Palmer. He's the senior associate pastor

at Grace Bible Church in Granbury, Texas. He's the director of the Center for Biblical

Counseling and Discipleship. He holds degrees from the Master's Seminary, Southern Baptist Theological

Seminary, and his most recent degree is a Ph.D.

from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He's a fellow and board member with ACBC. He's an

instructor of biblical counseling at the Master's University, and he's a chaplain with the Civil Air Patrol,

the auxiliary of the United States Air Force. His passion in ministry is shepherding God's people

through the teaching and

counseling of the scriptures. He's married to Lisa, and together they have been blessed with three

children, Alan, Amy, and Eric. Keith and his family have been members at Grace Bible since 2002.

I will also mention that Keith has written a book, product of his dissertation, John Newton's Theology of

Suffering and its Application to Pastoral Care, which we're going to be talking a lot about today,

Keith. So welcome to the podcast, brother. Thanks, Dale. Always a great joy to be with you.

I'm really looking forward to today. What's interesting is we're getting ready for our

conference coming up in Fort Worth,

Texas, October 6 through the 8th, ancient paths, soul care and past places. You know, and some people hear

the idea, Keith, of history, and they start thinking of musky smells and rigid thought and this sort of

thing. Oddly, this is going to be a very practical time together.

And I think your work is demonstrating that. We're going to talk about some of that today,

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