Council versus counseling on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, Jeremy Prey. He's the pastor of biblical counseling at

North Creek Church in Walnut Creek, California. And he's an ACBC certified counselor. He's also

an ACBC fellow candidate. Looking forward to him finishing that role, helping us as we

train additional counselors.

In addition to overseeing North Creek's robust counseling ministry, he also oversees various other adult ministries there.

He spent 15 years in the construction industry as a project manager, but in 2017, he transitioned from the marketplace to vocational ministry.

He has a master of divinity from the

master's seminary. He's the author of one of our ACBC booklets called Infertility and Miscarriage.

He has been married to his lovely wife, Haley, since 2005, and they have four children.

Jeremy, welcome to the podcast, brother, so grateful for you.

Thanks, Dale. Thanks for having me.

Listen, this will be an interesting conversation as we talk about the ideas of counsel versus counseling.

And I appreciate the way that you're even setting some of this out. I think this could be a really

interesting conversation. There's a lot of confusion as it relates to this word counseling

and how we think about it. It's certainly been

modernized and with that idea of counseling. There have been so much baggage that's been infused

with this term and this idea and what's expected when we think about counseling in terms of,

you know, talk therapy and the whole psychotherapeutic world. Interested to see how we're

going to go here. So let's just talk about these terms and

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