The application of Isaiah 26 through deep affliction on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Today on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Ernie Baker.

He is a fellow with ACBC and the senior adult pastor at First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida.

And he also serves as a director of training with overseas instruction and counseling.

And he's the chairman of the

undergraduate degree program in biblical counseling at the Masters University. He's married to

Rose. They have six children, five of which are married, and they also have 14 grandchildren.

He's the author of a number of books and articles, including being the editor of a new

critical issues in biblical counseling series that's been put out by Shepard's Press.

Ernie, thank you for being with us today.

I'm really looking forward to diving into the scripture on this particular edition.

Thank you, Dale, and I'm excited too.

This is a great passage of scripture.

It's a great passage of scripture, but it's really interesting to see how the biblical language really comes to

life in describing and identifying what we see as normal life in a fallen human world. And

the Bible is unafraid to use this terminology of deep affliction, calamity, suffering, trials,

difficulties of various kinds, the Bible says, and I would argue varying

degrees. And this is not a strange or a foreign concept in the scripture. And it's important,

I think, that we define it this way. I'm looking forward to the way you're going to frame this in

Isaiah 26. And so I want to start here with, let's talk about the topic of the passage in question,

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