Journeys to Biblical Counseling on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week, our Journeys to counseling is featuring brother Tim Pazma.

He's ministered at LaRue Baptist Church in LaRue, Ohio since the spring of 1985.

He's married to Rebecca and God has blessed them with three sons and three daughters and three daughters-in-law and a son-in-law,

14 quite active grandchildren.

Pastor Tim earned his BA from Cedarville University in 1977 and the MDiv from Grace Theological Seminary.

He serves as an ACBC fellow, and he's on the board of ACBC as well.

He lectures frequently on counseling issues and at counseling

conferences for a number of Christian organizations. I've been delighted to get to know Tim as he

is a board member and we enjoy lots of good fellowship together. Tim, I'm so grateful that you're here.

I'm really looking forward to our time together today and hearing the Lord's story in your life.

Great. I'm excited about this. My journey to biblical counseling is something that has been

life transforming for me. We need to capture those things. And I'm so grateful that we're doing that

now and to hear from guys like you, Tim, and the way the Lord used you very early on in the movement and with Nank, now ACBC.

I want you to give us a little bit of a background, if you can, your story.

I've gotten to hear some of these stories, just as I probe and ask you questions, always intriguing.

Just tell us a little bit about your background so we can understand a little bit

more about Tim Pasma the man. All right. Well, you know, I grew up in a Christian home. In fact,

my dad was a pastor. If you had talked about counseling back then, which would have been in the 60s and

the 70s, it was just not heard of. That just, I mean, pastors would talk to people. I know,

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