peacemaking for families on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Robert Jones.

He has served as a biblical counseling professor at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky since 2016.

And recently, he became the department chair.

Prior to this, he served 19 years as lead pastor in West Virginia, and then 12 years

as a full-time professor at Southeastern Seminary. Bob was a certified Christian conciliator

with the Institute for Christian Conciliation and a member and fellow of the Association

of Certified Biblical Counselors. He's written five books, including uprooting anger and pursuing

peace, several many booklets,

and numerous chapters and articles on counseling and pastoral ministry. Bob and his wife, Lauren,

have been married for 40 years, and they have two married sons and two Christian daughters-in-law

that he considers him to be top shelf. I love that. That's really good description. This is what we pray for in our family as well. And then he also has four granddaughters. He serves as an elder, counselor, counselor, trainer, adult teacher, and nursery worker at Hunsinger Lane Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky. Bob, it's always good to be with you. Thanks for joining us

today. Thank you, Dale. And yes, they indeed are top shelf, daughter and daughters-in-law. My son's married up by God's goodness. Well, amen. And I'm going to start praying exactly that for my children. Lord, give us top shelf. That would be great. So I love that. So now we're going to talk today about peacemaking,

and we're going to talk about how to deal with conflict, how to resolve conflict. And, you know,

in my counseling experience, Bob, I'm sure it's the same in your counseling experience. When you

have issues of conflict, they're usually in significant relationships. They're usually in those

vulnerable relationships. Oftentimes in family,

high percentage of these types of problems exist in the family. So we want to talk about this

today within the context of how do we do peacemaking? How do we pursue that within the family?

Now, let's talk as biblical counselors. We often seek to root our counseling in the bigger

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