Biblical counseling journeys on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I'm delighted to have with me a dear friend, Dr. Jen Chen.

She was licensed as a clinical psychologist in 2002 with a doctor in clinical psychology

and a master's in marriage and family therapy.

She was formerly trained in multiple evidence-based practices in psychology,

co-authoring a book on those practices when she received biblical counseling in 2011. As a result,

she completed her MABC and left psychology. She is ACBC certified and has taught at conferences,

universities, and a seminary in biblical counseling.

She currently counsels at Lighthouse Community, and she has been married to her husband, Peter, since 1996, and they cherish their teenage son, Garrett.

Jen is deeply grateful for how biblical counseling has transformed her faith, her life, and her counsel.

Jen, so grateful always to be together and grateful that you're here today with us on the podcast.

Oh, such a privilege to be here.

This is going to be fun as we talk about stories.

It's always fun for me to get to know people and a little bit about their life.

I've had the privilege of hearing the story, and I thought it would be such an encouragement to so many of our listeners to hear a little bit about you and your journey to biblical counseling. You have a unique story, Jen. And I want you to first just sort of introduce yourself. I know that's always awkward to talk about yourself a little bit, but just background, a little bit about

Jen Chen, who she is, your context in life, mentioned in your bio that married, have a son,

some of your training. Just fill us in a little bit on Jin Chen and by the providence of the Lord.

Start us into your story. Yes. So my name is Jen Chen. I am actually, my name kind of belies me, but I'm actually a Japanese American fourth generation. My parents were not believers.

Part of Japanese culture is a very deep moralism. And so my parents would drop us off at Sunday school because they wanted us to have good morals

and be around good people.

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