The Heart Behind Control on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I have with me, Dr. Daniel Schubert. He graduated with the doctor of ministry

with an emphasis in biblical counseling from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville,

Kentucky, and with a master of divinity degree from the master's seminary. He currently serves as a counseling pastor at Countryside Bible Church in South Lake, Texas.

Prior to serving at Countryside, he served at the Master's University as a graduate teaching fellow in the MABC program.

In addition to his work at the University, Daniel served in the counseling department at Grace Community Church in

Sun Valley, California.

He and his wife, Heidi, have two daughters and a son, Annabelle, Elliott, and Ruth.

Daniel, so grateful for you to be on the podcast first time.

Looking forward to this.

Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Dale.

Now, we're going to talk about this issue of control, and we use that word quite frequently

in our culture. We talk about it in various terms as we talk about this issue of control.

I'm sure we've all experienced this, unfortunately, in one way or the other. Some people say it

like this. Well, he's so controlling or she's such a control freak. It's interesting how we

talk about other people in that way as

opposed to ourselves. But I want you to talk about this, Daniel, is control a category that's really

a biblical idea? Sure. Yeah. No, that's a great question. I think the short answer to that is yes.

Much like the word Trinity, we can use terms that describe different biblical ideas, even if they

aren't specifically used in Scripture.

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