Biblical mediation on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week, again, on the podcast we have with us, our dear brother Ernie Baker.

I'll remind you he's married to his wife Rose, and the Lord has blessed them with six children

and 11 grandchildren, which I know just reading yesterday, the Proverbs that talks about the

crown of our head is our

grandchildren, and that must be a wonderful thing. Ernie, he has a privilege of serving the Lord

at First Baptist Church in Jacksonville as the pastor of counseling and discipleship. He's also

the chair of the online undergraduate degree in biblical counseling at the Masters University. He serves as an

adjunct in their graduate program and as the director for training for overseas instruction

in counseling. He's the author of Mary Wise, Mary Well, Help, I'm in Conflict, and Help, Disability

Pressures My Marriage. He's also contributed five chapters to other books,

and he's written many other journals and magazine articles. Ernie's certified with us at ACBC,

and he serves as a fellow. He's also a conciliator with the Institute for Christian Conciliation.

And if you were with us last week on the podcast, Ernie had an opportunity to speak specifically

about this

issue of conciliation, what it is, how it's impacted him to see the beauty of mediation work

out when there are difficult situations. And so I wanted to make sure we get him back.

We talked last week about broad concepts and how this is rooted in biblical doctrine and some of the

broad principles that we would rely on when we talk about conciliation. This week, Ernie,

I want you to talk a little bit about biblical mediation. So first, welcome to the podcast. I'm so

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