The Church Behind Barbed Wire on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love,

a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Today on the podcast I have with me, Tom Sugimura. I'm so grateful for this brother. He serves as a

pastor, church planting mentor, and professor of biblical counseling at the Masters University.

He's the author of what our podcast is titled today, a book, The Church Behind Barb wire,

also Habakkuk God's Answers to Life's Most Difficult Questions.

He and his wife Amanda are raising their four children in Southern California.

And I'm so grateful for Tom.

We've just gotten to know one another and getting to know one another better.

I'm so grateful for his work at our pre-conference this past year in 2021 at Hickory Grove.

And looking forward to introducing him more and more to our certified members.

Now, today we're going to do something a little different.

I enjoy history.

I like to look back at the ways in which

we saw soul care in the past. And guys, listen, if you look back in history, the church was the

primary place that was viewed to do soul care. It was their task. Pastors were called Physicians of

the Soul. And during a modern world,

modern psychology certainly upended that idea. And Tom, today I want you to do something that's

mixed into your heritage, your Japanese heritage, and talk about a time, a very stressful,

difficult time of suffering during World War II. And I want you to talk about

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