failure and fatigue in ministry on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Well, this is one of those moments that I am thrilled to have with us, Randy Patton.

For so to many of you who are listeners, members in ACBC, Randy Patton is no stranger to you.

His wife's name is Cindy.

They've faithfully been married for 51 years,

if I remember correctly. And I'm always blessed to be around this brother. He's such an

encouragement to me. Currently, he serves as the president of team focus ministries, which at

some point, Randy, I want to sit down with you and chat a little bit more about that.

But he's the longtime executive director of Nank, as it were, during those days for 16 years,

served in various capacities for 18 years, the ministry of now ACBC.

And I'm so grateful for Randy and his service, particularly during those years of growth in the

biblical counseling movement and his stewardship of that leadership during that time. And listen,

today we're going to talk about a difficult subject, this idea of failure and fatigue in the

ministry. And this is a reality. For any of you who've served any length of time in ministry,

vocationally or otherwise,

you know that this is a reality that is a struggle. Randy, I can't think of a better person

to have this discussion with, one who understands the human heart and the dispositions of the

heart, one who has experience in pastoral ministry for years and years.

And you've been through a lot of ups and downs in ministry as well.

And he's going to speak very specifically I know today about this issue.

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