The Shepherd's schedule on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I'm thrilled as ever to have with us, Dr. Carl Hargrove.

If you live on the West Coast, you're probably very familiar with him.

If you've been a part of the Master's University or the Master's Seminary, you would probably

be familiar with his name.

I cannot wait to introduce our listeners to this brother.

I'll tell you a little bit about him.

He's married to Joanna for 29 years.

Praise the Lord for that.

Five children from 27 down to 18.

He's an ordained minister of the gospel from Grace Community Church out in California.

Pastor two churches in the South Bay Area from 1994 to 2014 before returning back to Grace Community

Church.

He's a faculty member at the Master's Seminary in Pastoral Ministries.

He's the Director of Grace Advance, Grace Community's ministry to help plant and revitalize churches in North America.

He's a vice president of the Master's Fellowship, and that's an international network of TMS

graduates and like-minded men joined for fellowship and mutual ministry. He's a co-founder of

Arc, African Revitalization Center, which seeks to support ministry training

and church strengthening in Africa. He enjoys travel, hiking, experiencing various cultures,

military history, and golf. Man, that'll be fun. It's something I enjoy too, Carl. And my

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