the necessity of works with faith on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Today I am joined by Joel Wood. He is the senior pastor of New Life Presbyterian Church

of La Mesa, California. He holds a BA from Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, the MDiv, and

the D-Men degrees from Reform Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Pittsburgh, the M-Div and the D-Men degrees from Reform, Presbyterian Theological

Seminary in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And he's an ACBC fellow. He's married to Emily. He's

been married to her for 20 years. They have a daughter and son-in-law in Maryland, a son

attending a university in Manhattan, Kansas. And that's really close to us here in Kansas City, and three

kids at home still. Joel operates VeritySol.C. Care. He's an adjunct professor at city

seminary in Sacramento, California, Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, and he also teaches with

OIC, which trains pastors, lay people, and seminarians

in biblical counseling around the world. He's also one fourth of the Jerusalem Chamber podcast for

anyone interested in dabbling in the theology of the Westminster Confession. And Joel,

I think this is your first time here on the Truth and Love podcast, And I couldn't be more thrilled to have you on here. It is my first time. It's great to be

here. Good deal. Good to see you. Well, listen, we're going to talk a little bit about your presenting

this year at our pre-conference in Memphis, Tennessee on wisdom and understanding, biblical counseling from the book of James.

You were given James Chapter 2 to look at, at least a portion of that.

So I want us to talk through some of that, the necessity of works in conjunction with faith.

And so I want to jump right into it if we can and just look at the passage itself.

What is James 2 reveal about the importance

of definitions as we discuss some of the biblical ideas or biblical and theological ideas of

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