The Abuse Pendulum, Part 1, on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

I am thrilled today to have with us, Dr. Jim Neuheiser. He's a director of the Institute for

Biblical Counseling and Discipleship, known as IBCD, which is one of our training centers here

at ACBC, and he's the director of the Christian counseling program at RTS Charlotte.

He's also full professor of Christian counseling and practical theology at RTS Charlotte.

Dr. Neuheiser serves as a board member for ACBC and also on the Biblical Counseling Coalition.

For 25 years, Dr. Neuheiser served as a preaching pastor at Grace Bible Church

in Escondido, California, before taking over the Christian counseling program at RTS, Charlotte,

in 2016. He now oversees all the counseling degree options, including the 66 credit hour

MA in Christian counseling. Dr. Neuheuser teaches many of the counseling courses,

as well as some practical theology courses there at RTS Charlotte. Dr. Neuhauser has been married to

his wife Caroline for 42 years, and they have three adult children. Dr. Neuheuser, thank you so

much for joining us today and talking about this very important topic. Very glad to be with you, Dale. Now, we're going to jump in and talk about this issue of abuse.

And listen, this issue, and rightfully so, to some degree, is exploding everywhere.

When we talk about this issue of abuse, number one, it's very, very sensitive. And again,

rightfully so. Number two, we have seen that, you know, some have really, really failed, and maybe even us included. We're going to talk about that some today as well. And so I want us to look at this idea of abuse, Dr. Newheiser, if we can. Obviously, from a biblical perspective, I want us to see through that lens, but I also want us to be tendered toward those who have experienced some level of abuse.

And I want us to evaluate this on some level in ways that we can do better as we approach this issue of abuse.

And I want to set this in the context of understanding that, listen, we're, have proper expectations,

but we're never going to be perfect on this. We are finite people who don't know everything

that there is to know, not everything there is to know about abuse. And sometimes we don't know

abuse that's happening in the counseling room. And so we have to give ourselves a little bit of

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