West Lafayette, Ordinance 3121, on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions

for the problems that people face. Today on the podcast, I am delighted, thrilled always to have

with us, Dr. Steve Viers, who is no stranger to our folks and listeners at ACBC. He's the senior

pastor at Faith Church and Faith Biblical Counseling Ministries there in Lafayette,

Indiana. He's been there since 1987. He's been involved in biblical counseling movement for years and

years and years, certified member. He's a fellow. He's a board member with us. Has lots of good

ministry there in Indiana. It's been very impactful in the training of ACBC counselors

abroad. We came today, however, to talk about this issue that's come up in recent days,

even over the Christmas holidays, relative to an ordinance. And Steve, I want you to have the freedom

to talk about this ordinance particularly, so we're

going to introduce that in a second.

This ordinance is different than some of the legislation that we've seen come across in recent history,

something like California Senate Bill 1172.

Now, that may be unfamiliar to many.

I'll just briefly explain where what they're trying to do in legislations is they're

often trying to give some perspective on sexual orientation change efforts.

And they're saying things like, for those who are licensed counselors, you cannot engage

in sexual orientation change efforts with a minor if you're a licensed professional.

And in all of that legislation, there is typically a clause that releases non-licensed

religious providers from that demand.

And so we're free to engage with biblical conviction in sexual orientation change efforts,

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