Teaching counselorses to pray on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that

people face. This week, I am very thrilled to have with me, Andrew Rogers. Andrew's a dear friend.

I love this brother, and we have such a good time when we're together. He is now the pastor of

care and connection at Kindred Community Church in Southern California.

What a wonderful church that is with Pastor Philip DeCorsi, Dan Naugh, who is also out there,

director of the training center that's associated with Kindred through ACBC.

I'm so grateful for the relationship and partnership, and Andrew, that you get to

serve there. He's also the executive director of OIC, that's overseas instruction in counseling,

taking biblical counseling training to all parts of the globe. And praise the Lord for that work

as well. Andrew, I'm so grateful that you're here today to talk about this particular subject. Sometimes

we have a tendency to want to grow up so much that we forget some of the fundamentals.

And I think it's important that we remember the importance of prayer, well, not even just prayer,

but the importance of disciplines as we engage some of our

councilees, and sometimes we have misconceptions about what the councilees mean and what

the councilee understands what we mean when we say certain things, that everybody understands

how to pray, everybody understands how to read their Bible well and that sort of thing.

So talk a

little bit about, as you engage councilees, the importance of the disciplines and communicating

those disciplines and making sure the councilees understand what we mean when we talk about

the fundamental disciplines of our faith. Yeah, many of the problems, matter of fact, that people

face actually boil down to their

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